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. that has dramatic effects on medicare. what is the best approach to put medicare on a permanently secure financial footing? >> putting medicare on a firm financial footing is going to first of all, involve repealing obamacare. look, let's take a look at what obamacare does to medire. first thing it does is it cuts $700 billion out of medicare. it's pretty hard to say you're in favor of medicare and cut 7er hundred billion dollars out of it. let's take a look at the second thing it does which is even worse. creates a 15 person board that will effectively be the people deciding who gets medical treatment and who doesn't. this is rationing. this is government rationing. if you want medicare to work properly, what we need to do is get away from the concept that the government has to do everything. in medicare right now, the government sets the prices of the cost of everything in medicine. we don't want the government setting prices. what in fact, we should allow series of people offer medicare to seniors and let them choose which one they want. it's a whole lot better to choose from differ
dragged down by his political mate's push for getting rid of medicare. he acts like ryan has no hold on him, but it's not the way it works. romney has slowly gotten the word that the voter out there thought the two had things worked out, that romney and ryan were in this thing together. well, they're not. romney is dying. he can't stand being tied to ryan, and all that budget cutting baggage of his. for his part, ryan is feeling the taint of having a running mate who is unwilling to stand with him, unwilling to be his kind of politician. a conviction politician. so trouble in paradise. mitt's dying to be single again, so is ryan. we all know that politics makes strange bedfellows but the word is out this pair, romney and ryan, are sleeping in separate rooms. i'm joined by msnbc political analyst howard fineman and joy ann reid, managing editor of thegrio.com. more polling data that shows mitt romney trailing. let's check the hardball scoring board. according to a new fox news poll, president obama leads romney by five points among likely voters nationwide. 48% to 43%. catch that, the
to finally get something done on medicare. i want to make sure prescription drugs are available for all seniors. and i want seniors to have additional choices when it comes to choosing their health care plans. i want to finally get something done on social security. i want to make sure the seniors have the promise made will be a promise kept, but i want younger workers to be able to manage some of their own money, some of their own payroll taxes in the private sector under certain guidelines to get a better rate of return on your own money. i want to rebuild our military to keep the peace. i want to have a strong hand when it comes to the united states in world affairs. i don't want to try to put our troops in all places at all times. i don't want to be the world's policeman, i want to be the world's peacemaker by having a military of high morale and a military that is well-equipped. i want anti-ballistic missile systems to protect ourselves and our allies from a rogue nation that may try to hold us hostage or blackmail our allies and friends. i want to make sure the education system fu
seniors about medicare tactics. that has been working really well. so i think obama will bring that up. one thing we will hear is the phrase that romney would end medicare's guarantee, which is a phrase the democrats have liked to use recently. we have raided that half-true for two reasons. one, it is not like it really has a guarantee now. congress can change the medicare benefits any time it wants to. it frequently has. now, romney would change the structure in which people would pay for medicare. it would go from being -- it would turn into the essentially a voucher plan. in that sense, we found some truth and rated it as half- truth. >> thank you, bill. our next prediction from glenn kessler, checker of facts, awarder of pinocchios. what will we see? >> i have two. they both deal with medicare. one thing i always say, the more complicated a subject is, the more susceptible it is stretching the truth. when it is complicated, you can make assertions that a lot of times journalists do not have the time or inclination to check. i do want to say one thing about welfare -- the reason i s
reform, today our parents and grandparents on medicare are paying hundreds less for their prescription drugs. our young people can stay on their parents' insurance until they're 26 years old. [applause] insurance companies now have to cover basic preventive care. things like droon interception, cancer screening. they won't be able to discriminate against you because you have a preexisting condition like diabetes or asthma, and if you get a serious illness -- let's say breast cancer -- and you need expensive treatment. they can no longer tell you sorry, you hit your lifetime limit and we're not covering a penny more. that is illegal because of health reform. and as eli mentioned, when it comes to giving our young people the education they deserve -- see, barack knows that like me and like so many of you he never, never couch attended college without financial aid. never. in fact, as i shared in my speech in charlotte, when we were first married, our combined student loan bills were higher than our mortgage. when it comes to student debt, barack and i, we've been there. this is not a hyp
of $4.5 billion on prescription drugs since it was enacted. hi also plans to slow spending on medicare. >> i've strengthened medicare. we've added years to life of medicare. we did it by getting rid of taxpayer subsidies that weren't making pea hemmier. >> reporter: by 2014 the law requireser everyone to have health insurance, whether they purchase it themselves or through employers and insurers can't deny you if you have a pre-existing condition or increase your rates. the law has become a cornerstone or the obama campaign. >> i refuse to eliminate health insurance for millions of americans who are poor and elderly or disabled, also those with the most can pay less. >> but romney says the affordable care act is unaffordable. >> we know that health care is too expensive. obama care doesn't make it less expensive. >> he wants obama care gone, including the prescription drug benefit for seniors. but he does want to keep the most popular pieces of obama care although he doesn't say exactly how this plan would work. >> we have to make sure that people who have pre-existing conditions can g
against medicare. let's talk to the people about medicare. they'll understand. >> i think their biggest mistake the romney camp have made, they have gone small ball. if they raised it up and let has a debate about the flospy of government, here's our philosophy, here's his philosophy, this is the difference. you make the choice. >> what you're seeing is a reflection of the candidate and that's the problem. >> you both raised two questions that i want to get to, you talked to small ball and the weekly standard this week came out with a flyer that the romney campaign is sending out in northern virginia that i want to put up on the screen right now, a flyer about how the romney campaign is going to do a better job of making sure people who had lyme disease. >> very surprising to me. not surprising in the context of the fact that this campaign has trouble sticking to a singular narrative. surprising mostly because this isn't a thing that people are screaming about in the election, we're not hearing a lot about lyme disease. it seems like someone was on the romney camp at some point in virgi
stand by. l polls here say 65% of the seniors in florida don't want to change medicare. 59% in ohio. 56% in virginia. did the campaign make a mistake by going off in this direction? i think most people know you've got to reform medicare, but they don't seem to be taking-- seniors don't seem to be taking very well what mitt romney and paul ryan want to do about it. >> well, the first-- the first bit of good news is that mitt romney and paul ryan are not going to change medicare for those seniors. they're going to change medicare for folks like me, who just turned 50, and younger, who are going to need to know that if you want to have any semblance of medicare, you're going to have to make some changes to it. here's the dirty little secret, bob-- the president of the united states knows that, too, but he's not talkin talking abo. he's not being honest with the american people about it. in the end, i think the american people, if we lay out our vision well, will reward us for tell truth. and the president right now is avoiding the truth the way he's avoided so many hard truths over the las
medicare plan for you. because when your medicare is taken care of, you can spend more time sharing your passions. wow. [ giggles ] [ male announcer ] with the people who matter most. i love you grandpa! i love you grandma! now you're a real fishman. [ male announcer ] humana. >>. >> rick: talk fans giving referees a standing ovation thursday night after the union that represents the refgs and league ended the lockout. replacement refs made a bunch of bad calls, one that gave a winning touchdown to the seattle against the packers on monday night. if only deficit spending would make the outrage like that. >> or the sort of unanimity. somebody must have stuck up for the replacement refs. i never seen anything where paul ryan and barack obama agreed this what should happen. >> and very strange bedfellows, we have scott walker, famous for being tough on the union coming out in favor of the referee union. >> absolutely and wonderful field day for kar too oftenists. as new signals for referees who have replacements and let somebody else try it. great cartoon, no debate here. >> rick: is it pol
night. >> schieffer: the shift toward medicare reform does not seem to be going over well with seniors, especially in some of these key states like florida and ohio. i'm looking at polls here that say 65% of the seniors in florida don't want to change medicare. 59% in ohio. 56% in virginia. did the campaign make a mistake by going off in this direction? i think most people know you've got to reform medicare, but they don't seem to be taking-- seniors don't seem to be taking very well what mitt romney and paul ryan want to do about it. >> well, the first-- the first bit of good news is that mitt romney and paul ryan are not going to change medicare for those seniors. they're going to change medicare for folks like me, who just turned 50, and younger, who are going to need to know that if you want to have any semblance of medicare, you're going to have to make some changes to it. here's the dirty little secret, bob-- the president of the united states knows that, too, but he's not talkin talking abo. he's not being honest with the american people about it. in the end, i think the america
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the national debt. i will put medicare and social security in a lockbox and protect them. and i will cut taxes for middle- class families. i believe it's important to resist the temptation to squander our surplus. if we make the right choices, we can have a prosperity that endures and enriches all of our people. if i'm entrusted with the presidency, i will help parents and strengthen families because, you know, if we have prosperity that grows and grows, we still won't be successful unless we strengthen families by, for example, ensuring that children can always go to schools that are safe. by giving parents the tools to protect their children against cultural pollution. i will make sure that we invest in our country and our families. and i mean investing in education, health care, the environment, and middle-class tax cuts and retirement security. that is my agenda and that is why i think that it's not just a question of experience. >> governor bush, one minute rebuttal. >> well, we do come from different places. i come from west texas. the governor is the chief executive officer. we know how
off of medicare. a lot of people say, that is all poor folks. a million of those people are seniors. in fact majority had to sell -- the vast majority of folks had to sell everything they have and whatever savings they had to get into a nursing home. the only reason they are able to get into a nursing home is because of something called the dueled eligible. the get both medicare and medicaid. where did you expect those folks to go? where are they going to go? ladies and gentleman, they saythey say they care about education. they knocked 200,000 kids out of early education. it took $1,000 out of co grants. -- pell grantswe went from 6 million to 9 million kids that have been knocked out. for those of you who have kids in school now,the only thing helping is between $500 tax credit they are giving you off of your bottom line. they worked that out. -- the white that out. [cheers and applause] --they wiped that out. let me tell you this, folks. you have to ask yourself the question. why are they doing it? >> because they have to. let me tell you why they have to. there is no way to acco
to make sure medicare is around. >>> the action the president took strengthen medicare trust fund and exceeded its live up to 2024 >>> biden argued the republicans want to drastically change the program >>> that on want to tell you they're not for medicare there for a thing called a voucher care >>> and the vice presidential nominee hammered the obama administration for out of control borrowing and spending. >>> as a result the most of not fixing it our credit rating downgraded for first time in history >>> line said new hampshire's will help shape the election >>> get those people that promise to open change are demoralized now >>> the candidates prep for the first debate in practice sessions run it will get help from ohio senator who will play the role of the president president obama looks to massachusetts senator john kerry to stand in for romney. the debate at the university of denver will get both candidates a chance to explain their stance on the economy dru levenson cbs news >>> but first the date is wednesday in denver on october 11th, biden and republican nominee paul ry
. both parties in washing ton, the president and the congress have cut medicare. the average senior citizen is spa higher tage on health care today than they were in 1965efore medicare came out. president got another proposal to require them to pay $400 more a year for the xt five years. if you don't have the guts to control costs by changing the insurance system in the private and public sector, you can't fix the problem. cost will spiral. remember this, a lot of folks on medicare are out there every day making the choice of food and medicine medicare or mend not wealthy to buy medicine. i've m people. they can't buy medicine. when we talk about cutting haelgt care costs, let's talk about the insurance companies who are making a killing instead of making the people healthy. on. president. -- president bush. >> every four years they say the republicans are going to cut medicare. i'm the president that stood up and said, don't mess wisecurity and i'm not going to. wehaven't. we are not going to go after the social security recipient. i have one difference with mr. pet on that. i don'
ryan and seemed ready to engage on the big stuff. medicare, entitlements, tax reform, national solvency, a restructured welfare state. he has since retreated to the small and safe and when you're behind, how far, safe is fatal. >> i don't think so. i think he has been running a very vigorous campaign. i think most people approve of his selection of paul ryan. it's tough. it's very difficult. >> why is he behind? >> i think he is behind because americans probably feel better than they did before jobs and the economy even though it's terrible. it's sort of the -- >> right track, wrong track? that's interesting. tell me. just stretch that out a little bit. >> i think americans see a glimmer of hope. there is slight improvement in the economy, and i think that some people, for example, a state like ohio, battleground state, thanks in my view to the governor that the unemployment is down. that's true in some of the others. i understand how tough this campaign is. i do believe that media coverage has something to do with it. but that is what it is. i think most americans will still be making
controversial views on 9/11. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. call and find out about an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, it could save you thousands in out-of-pocket costs. call now to request your free decision guide. i've been with my doctor for 12 years. now i know i'll be able to stick with him. you'll be able to visit any doctor or hospital that accepts medicare patients. plus, there are no networks, and you never need a referral. see why millions of people have already enrolled in the only medicare supplement insurance plans endorsed by aarp. don't wait. call now. --let's turn to syria. there is believe that assad is using weapons they got from iran. and how long will you continue to support assad, given the appalling conditions, catastrophe we are all wat
've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. call and find out about an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, it could save you thousands in out-of-pocket costs. call now to request your free decision guide. i've been with my doctor for 12 years. now i know i'll be able to stick with him. you'll be able to visit any doctor or hospital that accepts medicare patients. plus, there are no networks, and you never need a referral. see why millions of people have already enrolled in the only medicare supplement insurance plans endorsed by aarp. don't wait. call now. i am alan wang. in tonight's headlines, federal arson investigators were called to vallejo after a fire destroyed davis' law office. the landlord said this is the latest in a seri
out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. call and find out about an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, it could save you thousands in out-of-pocket costs. call now to request your free decision guide. i've been with my doctor for 12 years. now i know i'll be able to stick with him. you'll be able to visit any doctor or hospital that accepts medicare patients. plus, there are no networks, and you never need a referral. see why millions of people have already enrolled in the only medicare supplement insurance plans endorsed by aarp. don't wait. call now. so i brought it to mike at meineke. we gave her car a free road handling check. i like free. free is good. my money. my choice. my meineke. >>> bashar al assad's regime is running out of money and running out of arms, so how does the syrian
battleground state. telling them that medicare will be around for future generations. >>> the actions of the president took to strengthen the medicare trust and exceeded this life of a 2024. >>> president obama and mitt romney are prepping for the first debate. to get help from the ohio senator will play the role of the present. and president obama will look to the massachusetts senator to stand in for mitt romney. and behind in recent polls, some campaign watchers say that mitt romney has more riding on the debates and to gain for the president >>> the president has a chance to show is competent to stand up against the president of the nine states. and to accomplish that and wins the first debate >>> wednesday's debates give both canada's a chance to explain it plans for health care in the economy. >>> the women are obviously kinda unusual if this election. if they're more interested in men and issues affecting their pocketbook. >>> to your daughter welcome to america. your share of the debt is over $50,000. >>> a recent poll shows that 51 percent of men favor mitt romney and 54 perc
the election. >> geraldo: do you think medicare for example far outweighs an issue like benghazi gate? >> i know medicare is incredibly important particularly in a state like florida as you know such a significant senior population in this state. even if you are not a senior you care about making sure that your parents or grandparents continue to have the kind of benefits they need to maintain their health and make sure are that they can pay their bills around the needs that they need attended to are met in fact. and so i think that is going to be an enormously important issue going forward. we have the debates coming up shortly. three in the presidential. one for the vice presidential candidates. those are going to be significant as well. the first one coming up just wednesday night. >> geraldo: do you think the debates could be a game changer? >> anything is possible. an awful lot of people i'm sure you are going to be tuning in particularly to the first debate and i think, though, that that these are two pretty seasoned competitors in the president and duf governor romy and i think peopl
was enacted. >> i have strengthened medicare, we have added years to the life of medicare, we did it business getting rid of taxpayer subsidies to insurance companies that weren't making people healthy. >> reporter: by 2017, the law requires everyone to have health insurance, whether they purchase it themselves or through employers and insurance companies can't deny you if you have a pre-exiexisting conditio. >> but the supreme court ruled in june that it was up to each state to decide whether to expand coverage. the law has become a corner stone of the obama campaign. >> i refuse to eliminate health insurance for millions of americans who are poor and elderly or disabled, also those with the most can pay less. >> but romney says the affordable care act is unaffordable. >> we know that health care is too expensive, obama care doesn't make it less expensive. >> romney and his running mate paul ryan propose to cap malpractice insurance, cut medicate by $810 million over the next ten years, give states more control over your head indicate funds, overall medicare, the overall? people now under th
in cuts in federal spending over 4 years, but i am not going to cut it out of social security and medicare and student assistance and things -- -- that people need. these people depend upon all of us for the little security that they have, and i'm not going to do it that way. the rate of defense spending increase can be slowed. certainly we can find a coffeepot that costs something less than $7,000. and there are other ways of squeezing this budget without constantly picking on our senior citizens and the most vulnerable in american life. and that's why the congress, including the republicans, have not gone along with the president's recommendations. >> i would like to ask the audience please to refrain from applauding either side, it just takes away from the time for your candidates. and now it is time for the rebuttal. mr. president, 1 minute for rebuttal. >> yes. i don't believe that mr. mondale has a plan for balancing the budget, he has a plan for raising taxes. and, as a matter of fact, the biggest single tax increase in our nation's history took place 1977. and for the 5 years previ
completely off the table. medicare don't touch it. medicaid, do ent touch it. in fact, paul ryan did work with alice rivlin on something like proposed for medicare and left out of the final proposal. if you're going to tackle it, tackle it all at once, because, again, you have to worry about the setup, oh, tax reform and we do end up raising tax revenue, but then they end up not doing anything about the looming true monsters that are on the horizon for the country. >> neil: adam? >> neil, i think you put paul ryan on the hot seat and he adequately squirmed out of it. if you're in a boat and the boat is sinking and someone hands you a bucket, no, thank you, i don't need that bucket i'm trying to get the bucket over here. you take the bucket and start bailing and work on the problem after that. >> neil: the fact that the president saw the bucket and just didn't even look at the bucket, but turned an i way from the bucket, is any less-- >> no, i totally agree, as critical of the president ignoring the advice he got from his own commission and critical of ryan not being willing to-- i wasn't
to change medicare meanwhile paul ryan hammered the obama administration on the economy >>> they don't want to tell you the not for medicare there for a thing i call a voucher care >>> as a result of the most predictable economic crisis and not fixing it our credit rating was downgraded for first time in our history >>> the candidates are honing debate techniques run it will get help from ohio senator rob portman who will play obama and for the president's preparations senator john kerry will stand in for romney. cub manager brown vetoes a bill to ban agencies from disrupting cellphones service without court order, it targeted bart, which sparked a free-speech debate when it cut cellphones service in san francisco to disrupt the planned protest, the governor said it could divert attention from a true emergency by requiring court agencies to get eight court order prior to a shutdown >>> public pensions are a big problem many thought reform could not go far enough public pensions are half of that elizabeth cook on why the other financial nightmare not getting the attention. >>> gov. brown may
that the current romney-run plan would preserve traditional medicare for the 65 or older and retain traditional medicare for those younger than that. 51% know that mitt romney would keep the bush tax cut in place permanently. some knowledge -- a long way to go. next slide, please. to candidates' records -- that payroll taxes increased during barack obama's time in office -- decrease during barack obama's time in office. 25.4% know more jobs were created in the first term of barack obama then the last term of george bush. that is a claim you see back- and-forth in advertising about who lost jobs and gained jobs. public confusion is to be expected. 31% knew that when mitt romney was governor of massachusetts, job growth in massachusetts improved. a claim in which democrats are trying to muddy the waters. in a long way to go in terms of improving pu
-president joe biden appealed to older voters in another battleground state, assuring florida seniors medicare would be around for future generations. >> the action the president took has actually strengthened the medicare trust fund and exceeded its life up to 2024. >> reporter: off the campaign trail, president obama and challenger mitt romney are prepping for their first debate. in practice sessions, romney will get help from ohio senator rob fortman, who will play the role of the president. president obama will look to massachusetts senator john kerry to stand in for romney. behind in recent polls, some campaign watchers say romney has more riding on the debates, as well as more to gain, than the president. >> the challenger has the opportunity to establish he is competent to stand up and hold his own against the president of the united states. a challenger who accomplishes that in effect wins the first debate. >> reporter: wednesday's debate gives both candidates a chance to explain their plans for health care and the economy. drew levinson, cbs news. >> the first of the three presidentia
this in the predicament that we have are the entitlements, medicaid, medicare, social security to a lesser degree, but we have to address the entitlements. >> in what is the libertarian position on not? >> well, and promising to submit a balanced budget to congress in the year 2013. that is not promising a balanced budget. that's to submit a balanced budget to congress in the year 2013, believing that if we don't reduce government expenditures by $1.4 trillion, that we'll find ourselves in the midst of a monetary collapse in a monetary collapse very simply is when the dollars we have aren't worth anything. and that's going to be the consequence of us continuing to borrow and print money to the tune of 43 cents out of every dollar. >> governor gary johnson is the author of this book, "seven principles of good government: liberty, people and politics." he's also the libertarian candidate for president. what other issues you write about in this? >> well, this being kind of a background on my history. i've been a much greater were my entire life. i started a one-man handyman business in albuquerque in 1874 a
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in the making. and there are many years ahead. join the millions of members who've chosen an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. go long. my brother doesn't look like a heart attack patient. i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. i'm a fighter and now i don't have that fear. >>> perhaps you noticed the nfl's professional referees are back on the field today after that outrageous call at monday's packers/seahawks game. the replacement refs are probably happy to be out of the spotlight too but one member of that rue is speaking out about what it was like to watch the call unfold on that field. here's abc's john schriffen tonight. >> reporter: on three, let's go, refs? this nfl sunday the men in stripes got the unusual superstar treatment from the fans. decided to see the regular referees back in action, their labor dispute forced to an end after this blown call last week by the replacements. >> the game's final play. >> reporter: in monday's night game between th
social security and medicare, as the record shows we did, i think that was mean-spirited. when we terminated 400,000 desperate, hopeless, defenseless americans who were on disability -- confused and unable to defend themselves, and just laid them out on the street, as we did for 4 years, i don't think that's what america is all about. america is a fair society, and it is not right that vice president bush pays less in taxes than the janitor who helps him. i believe there's fundamental fairness crying out that needs to be achieved in our tax system. i believe that we will be better off if we protect this environment. and contrary to what the president says, i think their record on the environment is inexcusable and often shameful. these laws are not being enforced, have not been enforced, and the public health and the air and the water are paying the price. that's not fair for our future. i think our future requires a president to lead us in an all- out search to advance our education, our learning, and our science and training, because this world is more complex and we're being pr
and he's talking about medicare. >> mid romney said at the time were he president in this past, he would sign it into law. sign into law the requirement you all come up with $6,400 a year more for the same benefits and now they say to us, no, no, no, joe, we don't have that plan anymore. >> could joe biden be more effective will florida than paul ryan than that medicare message he duft jifred. . >> there is the state where that has one of the oldest populations in the u.s., it is the state where democrat also use paul ryan's budget plan most aggressively against the -- we're also seeing it in the senate race down there and a bunch of house races down there, democrats really think that's the way to drive a wedge between republicans and seniors who have been -- there's a larger question here and this gets to the problem of mitt romney's pass to president obama's 270 electoral votes. one of the most conservative swing states that president obama won back in 2008. the amount of money that both campaigns are throwing at this state, it's very clear that nobody has put it away yet, and in fact
the campaign about big issues, medicare and energized the base. but now it seems to be none of that happened and it was not -- maybe it was a pick that hurt the ticket. >> so i totally agree with ramesh here. i think that the ryan pick actually represented the romney campaign being a little bit spooked. partly spooked by people like us, the sort of punditocracy. >> i didn't know we had that much power. >> we seem to. i think up to that point romney was running a very disciplined campaign whose focus was pragmatism and managerial excellent and the romney pick said actually we're ideologues as well. and what i think we're seeing now is the romney campaign saying, no, no, we're about managerialism and pragmatics. >> i think the managerial and pragmatism is the only place for him to be. that's what's authentic about him. i think he ooh going to bin or loose on that battlefield and i think if he deviated from it. , that's going to cause iffyness. >> he has relationships with these people. it circles back to the conversation about media bias which is if the campaign is zigging and zagging, then it
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